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		<title>Comment on Bigotry is Blinding by Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 18:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of times I get very frustrated with exactly this sort of behavior, and I do agree, it is bigotry.  And it really bothered me, but recently I had an experience that made me feel better about it.  I have an awesome friend, she&#039;s a smart, vivacious social worker who&#039;s not afraid to rock the boat and stand up for things she believes in, even if they&#039;re not popular.  I adore her.  

Until you get her on the subject of cycling in the road... and she becomes a frothing bigot.  She would never buzz or threaten a cyclist, but boy, does she become pissed off if she gets &quot;trapped&quot; behind one, and she&#039;s not afraid to say so to my face (which I love her for, and then the debate begins!)

But the lesson I learned is this: otherwise perfectly decent and wonderful people can be bigots when it comes to cyclists (or any subject I suppose).  This somehow made me feel liberated, made it not seem so terrible to get honked at, because hey, maybe under other circumstances I could sit down and have a drink with this person and get along.  

Sure there are genuinely malevolent people out there, but I think they are fewer and farther between than people who are otherwise good-natured but uninformed or simply having a bad day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of times I get very frustrated with exactly this sort of behavior, and I do agree, it is bigotry.  And it really bothered me, but recently I had an experience that made me feel better about it.  I have an awesome friend, she&#8217;s a smart, vivacious social worker who&#8217;s not afraid to rock the boat and stand up for things she believes in, even if they&#8217;re not popular.  I adore her.  </p>
<p>Until you get her on the subject of cycling in the road&#8230; and she becomes a frothing bigot.  She would never buzz or threaten a cyclist, but boy, does she become pissed off if she gets &#8220;trapped&#8221; behind one, and she&#8217;s not afraid to say so to my face (which I love her for, and then the debate begins!)</p>
<p>But the lesson I learned is this: otherwise perfectly decent and wonderful people can be bigots when it comes to cyclists (or any subject I suppose).  This somehow made me feel liberated, made it not seem so terrible to get honked at, because hey, maybe under other circumstances I could sit down and have a drink with this person and get along.  </p>
<p>Sure there are genuinely malevolent people out there, but I think they are fewer and farther between than people who are otherwise good-natured but uninformed or simply having a bad day.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bigotry is Blinding by Mighk Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mighk Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 16:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll have to excuse Keri and I for writing similar responses at the same time. We sometimes share the same brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll have to excuse Keri and I for writing similar responses at the same time. We sometimes share the same brain.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bigotry is Blinding by Keri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 15:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting observation. I have noticed that most harassment is akin to territorialism, in that the motorist wasn&#039;t inconvenienced in any significant way. Many times honks and yells come from a car 2 lanes over - I&#039;ll look at video later and the car will have been in that inside lane the whole time.

Here&#039;s why I consider it bigotry:

It&#039;s actually easier to get stuck behind a bus because it comes to a complete stop, necessitating much more of a gap in the adjacent lane when a driver gets caught behind it and needs to change lanes from a stop. If a guy isn&#039;t paying attention and gets stuck behind a bus, he may have a pity party or a temper tantrum inside his car, but he probably won&#039;t honk at the bus and he certainly won&#039;t roll down his window and call the driver a f$#%^&amp; a$$hole when he is able to pass. Likewise, no one honks and yells at a bus from two lanes over, just because it&#039;s there. Because buses are accepted as part of traffic.

Speaking of buses, no white man today would get on a bus and demand a black woman give him her seat, but 60 years ago that disgusting, bigoted behavior was common in the South — backed by social custom and law.  It&#039;s not that different from the sense of entitlement a motorist has when he comes up behind a cyclist and expects that cyclist to get out of his way. That entitlement comes from the belief that a person using a bicycle is an interloper or lower class user of the public space. Whenever a group of people is given class-based superiority over another group of people, they can hold any member of that group in contempt for even the slightest perceived inconvenience, while ignoring or excusing much more significant inconvenience caused by &quot;equals&quot; or the system itself. Anti-bicyclist bigotry doesn&#039;t come close to the ugly treatment of brown-skinned people (which continues, still, in both blatant and insidious ways), but it IS a civil rights issue when transportation independence is inhibited by ugly behavior, social taboos and discriminatory laws.

Incivility stifles bicycling. And it will until we address its root causes head on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting observation. I have noticed that most harassment is akin to territorialism, in that the motorist wasn&#8217;t inconvenienced in any significant way. Many times honks and yells come from a car 2 lanes over &#8211; I&#8217;ll look at video later and the car will have been in that inside lane the whole time.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s why I consider it bigotry:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually easier to get stuck behind a bus because it comes to a complete stop, necessitating much more of a gap in the adjacent lane when a driver gets caught behind it and needs to change lanes from a stop. If a guy isn&#8217;t paying attention and gets stuck behind a bus, he may have a pity party or a temper tantrum inside his car, but he probably won&#8217;t honk at the bus and he certainly won&#8217;t roll down his window and call the driver a f$#%^&#038; a$$hole when he is able to pass. Likewise, no one honks and yells at a bus from two lanes over, just because it&#8217;s there. Because buses are accepted as part of traffic.</p>
<p>Speaking of buses, no white man today would get on a bus and demand a black woman give him her seat, but 60 years ago that disgusting, bigoted behavior was common in the South — backed by social custom and law.  It&#8217;s not that different from the sense of entitlement a motorist has when he comes up behind a cyclist and expects that cyclist to get out of his way. That entitlement comes from the belief that a person using a bicycle is an interloper or lower class user of the public space. Whenever a group of people is given class-based superiority over another group of people, they can hold any member of that group in contempt for even the slightest perceived inconvenience, while ignoring or excusing much more significant inconvenience caused by &#8220;equals&#8221; or the system itself. Anti-bicyclist bigotry doesn&#8217;t come close to the ugly treatment of brown-skinned people (which continues, still, in both blatant and insidious ways), but it IS a civil rights issue when transportation independence is inhibited by ugly behavior, social taboos and discriminatory laws.</p>
<p>Incivility stifles bicycling. And it will until we address its root causes head on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bigotry is Blinding by Mighk Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mighk Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 15:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that bigotry is a strong word, and it&#039;s somewhat shocking to think of the problem that way.  Here&#039;s the Wikipedia definition:
&quot;Bigotry is the state of mind of a &quot;bigot&quot;, a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward members of a group. Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, race, ethnicity, nationality, region, language, religious or spiritual belief, personal habits, political alignment, age, economic status or disability. Bigotry is sometimes developed into an ideology or world view.&quot;
I explored this concept in &quot;Bicyclists, Motorists and the Language of Marginalization&quot; (http://www.bicyclinglife.com/EffectiveAdvocacy/Marginalization.htm)
When members of the religious right say &quot;gay marriage&quot; is a threat to marriage, they are doing the same thing.  While sound reasoning tells us that the marriage of two people can&#039;t, in and of itself, possible harm the marriage of another unrelated couple, there are those who insist it does.  They do so strictly out of ideology.
I&#039;d say 80% of the motorists who give me grief on the road are not inconvenienced by my presence in the slightest. That we sometimes do the same thing that many others do -- briefly impede the movement of other road users -- while those others do not suffer the same wrath is indicative of bigotry.  
If a white bigot in 1950 Alabama stands patiently behind another white person at a &quot;whites only&quot; drinking fountain, but screams or resorts to violence towards a black person ahead of them at that same fountain, how is that different?  The only difference is the characteristic of the &quot;minority.&quot;  Some will say it&#039;s different because African-Americans can&#039;t choose or change their skin color, but bigotry has never been limited solely to immutable characteristics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that bigotry is a strong word, and it&#8217;s somewhat shocking to think of the problem that way.  Here&#8217;s the Wikipedia definition:<br />
&#8220;Bigotry is the state of mind of a &#8220;bigot&#8221;, a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward members of a group. Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics, including sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, race, ethnicity, nationality, region, language, religious or spiritual belief, personal habits, political alignment, age, economic status or disability. Bigotry is sometimes developed into an ideology or world view.&#8221;<br />
I explored this concept in &#8220;Bicyclists, Motorists and the Language of Marginalization&#8221; (<a href="http://www.bicyclinglife.com/EffectiveAdvocacy/Marginalization.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bicyclinglife.com/EffectiveAdvocacy/Marginalization.htm</a>)<br />
When members of the religious right say &#8220;gay marriage&#8221; is a threat to marriage, they are doing the same thing.  While sound reasoning tells us that the marriage of two people can&#8217;t, in and of itself, possible harm the marriage of another unrelated couple, there are those who insist it does.  They do so strictly out of ideology.<br />
I&#8217;d say 80% of the motorists who give me grief on the road are not inconvenienced by my presence in the slightest. That we sometimes do the same thing that many others do &#8212; briefly impede the movement of other road users &#8212; while those others do not suffer the same wrath is indicative of bigotry.<br />
If a white bigot in 1950 Alabama stands patiently behind another white person at a &#8220;whites only&#8221; drinking fountain, but screams or resorts to violence towards a black person ahead of them at that same fountain, how is that different?  The only difference is the characteristic of the &#8220;minority.&#8221;  Some will say it&#8217;s different because African-Americans can&#8217;t choose or change their skin color, but bigotry has never been limited solely to immutable characteristics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bigotry is Blinding by Brian Glover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Glover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 15:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting psychological effect of street design; I&#039;ve also noticed it at a couple of particular spots in my city.  The yelling and abuse always happens in places where motorists are _not_ impeded from passing.  

In fact, it almost always happens at intersections where, after the light, a passing lane exists and it&#039;s no trouble at all to use it.  It does not happen, for instance, in intersections where the road enters on one side with two lanes (straight and turning) and emerges on the other side with one lane -- but it does happen in intersections that go from one lane to two.  My favorite variation, in fact, is when somebody moves into the left lane to pass me -- and then, when I catch up with him (it&#039;s always him) at the next red light, starts yelling at me from the left lane as I roll up in the right. 

You&#039;re right that the motorist&#039;s perception here has nothing to do with what he has actually just experienced in physical reality -- but I&#039;d like to see a psychologist&#039;s explanation of what&#039;s going on here.  I&#039;m not sure that &quot;bigotry&quot; quite nails it; I think it has something more to do with assertion of power -- it&#039;s when the driver _does_ have the power of free movement that he feels most disempowered and aggrieved.  There might be an analogy to certain trends in right-wing politics here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting psychological effect of street design; I&#8217;ve also noticed it at a couple of particular spots in my city.  The yelling and abuse always happens in places where motorists are _not_ impeded from passing.  </p>
<p>In fact, it almost always happens at intersections where, after the light, a passing lane exists and it&#8217;s no trouble at all to use it.  It does not happen, for instance, in intersections where the road enters on one side with two lanes (straight and turning) and emerges on the other side with one lane &#8212; but it does happen in intersections that go from one lane to two.  My favorite variation, in fact, is when somebody moves into the left lane to pass me &#8212; and then, when I catch up with him (it&#8217;s always him) at the next red light, starts yelling at me from the left lane as I roll up in the right. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that the motorist&#8217;s perception here has nothing to do with what he has actually just experienced in physical reality &#8212; but I&#8217;d like to see a psychologist&#8217;s explanation of what&#8217;s going on here.  I&#8217;m not sure that &#8220;bigotry&#8221; quite nails it; I think it has something more to do with assertion of power &#8212; it&#8217;s when the driver _does_ have the power of free movement that he feels most disempowered and aggrieved.  There might be an analogy to certain trends in right-wing politics here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bigotry is Blinding by Rodney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 13:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps if Alternative Transportation Education was a prerequisite for obtaining ones motoring license, there would be much less incivility and traffic bigotry.   I had many sidebar discussions with ATE students who had no idea a bicycle driver was allowed to take the lane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps if Alternative Transportation Education was a prerequisite for obtaining ones motoring license, there would be much less incivility and traffic bigotry.   I had many sidebar discussions with ATE students who had no idea a bicycle driver was allowed to take the lane.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bigotry is Blinding by Mighk Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mighk Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 12:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a driver scream at me to get on the sidewalk on that exact stretch of Primrose a year or so back.  (He also tail-gated me and revved his engine.)  I followed him into the parking lot of the Florida Safety Council, where I was already headed to teach.  He dropped off a passenger.  I spoke to the passenger (a young adult male) who told me the driver was his father, an Orange County Sheriff Deputy. (Would have been great if the kid had been in my Alternative Transportation class.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a driver scream at me to get on the sidewalk on that exact stretch of Primrose a year or so back.  (He also tail-gated me and revved his engine.)  I followed him into the parking lot of the Florida Safety Council, where I was already headed to teach.  He dropped off a passenger.  I spoke to the passenger (a young adult male) who told me the driver was his father, an Orange County Sheriff Deputy. (Would have been great if the kid had been in my Alternative Transportation class.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bigotry is Blinding by Diana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 12:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drove to work this morning and observed Biker Rick, just in front of me, make a flawess ride up Primrose. I know we write a lot about Primrose, which sees heavy use and quite a bit of bicycle traffic. It has just about everything to deal with, except on-street parking. Thank you, Keri, for teaching me how to ride this road, which has truly been liberating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drove to work this morning and observed Biker Rick, just in front of me, make a flawess ride up Primrose. I know we write a lot about Primrose, which sees heavy use and quite a bit of bicycle traffic. It has just about everything to deal with, except on-street parking. Thank you, Keri, for teaching me how to ride this road, which has truly been liberating.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bigotry is Blinding by Keri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 12:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like when the police enforce bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like when the police enforce bigotry.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bigotry is Blinding by Eli Damon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli Damon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 11:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And sometimes the bigoted behavior goes beyond simple nastiness and makes your life very difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And sometimes the bigoted behavior goes beyond simple nastiness and makes your life very difficult.</p>
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