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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 00:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points Marc. I am envious of European commuting and hope that one day the US will get their act together and give cycling the same respect on the road that the do other forms of transportation. Please check my update post from this past weekend to see how this little project is progressing. The map graphic that is emerging is definitely revealing what I wanted it to. Ride on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points Marc. I am envious of European commuting and hope that one day the US will get their act together and give cycling the same respect on the road that the do other forms of transportation. Please check my update post from this past weekend to see how this little project is progressing. The map graphic that is emerging is definitely revealing what I wanted it to. Ride on!</p>
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		<title>By: Amsterdamize</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amsterdamize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding speed, average speed, stopping and distances, the comments here are a bit distorting.
 
Distance: Yes, in cities like Amsterdam lots of people make short trips, but many short trips, because...their destinations are closeby. Don&#039;t be fooled. On average, a Dutchie (man/woman/senior/teenager/etc) cycles 1000 km a year. It is often believed by people from countries with low cycling rates that the Dutch only make short journeys. That of course is not the truth. Across the whole of the Netherlands, 35% of all(!) trips for all purposes that are under 7.5 km are made by bike. So are 15% of journeys between 7.5 and 15 km and 3% of journeys over 15 km.

The same distances that most Americans, British and Australians, for instance, choose to cover by car, with national averages between 0.5 or less than 1%. The difference lies of course in the fact that many can&#039;t opt for the bike, because of the lack of safe provisions/infrastructure &gt; a major problem when we talk actual and subjective safety.

Speed: it&#039;s not about the type of bike, it&#039;s about the person. I can&#039;t keep count the nr of times a visitor mentions how fast they think we go. On our beater bikes, or beautiful 10-speeds, or bakfiets or whatever. That&#039;s all in relative terms, of course. But, we go from A to B and we don&#039;t mess about. Then again, generally speaking, we don&#039;t like to race either. It&#039;s not the Tour de France, you should enjoy it. There&#039;s no point to racing, either. It will only save you a few minutes, tops, not worth the sweat. That&#039;s why you&#039;ll see people just dress for whatever occasion and get on a bike. &quot;What do you mean, cycle gear? I have a wardrobe!&quot; :). Regarding the linked picture of the beautiful girl on the blue bike: you&#039;d be surprised how quickly she can get around ;).
 
Of course we also have our speed demons, not many, but we do and you don&#039;t hear them complain. First, people here are very used to cycling in close proximity to each other, and second, there are some &#039;rules of the path&#039; that most abide to. Using a car metaphor, someone in a Veyron won&#039;t ever think he&#039;ll be able to floor it and reach top speed in a residential area. 

Stopping:
If you look closely in Amsterdam or any other city in the Netherlands, you will see that cycle paths / routes always provide either a shorter route, the right of way over cars and more and more you&#039;ll ride a &#039;green wave&#039; path. Cars have to give way to bicycles when at a crossing and one way streets always exempt cyclists. 
It&#039;s not just paths, but the way the city has chosen the bicycle as main transportation. Traffic calming where needed, segregation for busier roads.  

Anyway, hope that clears up a few things. I lived in NYC in the early 90&#039;s, I rode my Dutch bike there every day (and often got ridiculed for it). Nobody deemed it possible for anyone but crazy bike messengers to use bicycles as daily transportation. &lt;a href=&quot;http://amsterdamize.com/2009/11/17/a-dutchman-in-new-york/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I recently went back there&lt;/a&gt; after a 3 year hiatus and look at it now, cycling is becoming the norm! 

I&#039;ve been following Florida&#039;s progress (Miami) for some time now, it&#039;s a whole different ball game than NYC, but it can work anywhere. 

Cheers,
Marc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding speed, average speed, stopping and distances, the comments here are a bit distorting.</p>
<p>Distance: Yes, in cities like Amsterdam lots of people make short trips, but many short trips, because&#8230;their destinations are closeby. Don&#8217;t be fooled. On average, a Dutchie (man/woman/senior/teenager/etc) cycles 1000 km a year. It is often believed by people from countries with low cycling rates that the Dutch only make short journeys. That of course is not the truth. Across the whole of the Netherlands, 35% of all(!) trips for all purposes that are under 7.5 km are made by bike. So are 15% of journeys between 7.5 and 15 km and 3% of journeys over 15 km.</p>
<p>The same distances that most Americans, British and Australians, for instance, choose to cover by car, with national averages between 0.5 or less than 1%. The difference lies of course in the fact that many can&#8217;t opt for the bike, because of the lack of safe provisions/infrastructure &gt; a major problem when we talk actual and subjective safety.</p>
<p>Speed: it&#8217;s not about the type of bike, it&#8217;s about the person. I can&#8217;t keep count the nr of times a visitor mentions how fast they think we go. On our beater bikes, or beautiful 10-speeds, or bakfiets or whatever. That&#8217;s all in relative terms, of course. But, we go from A to B and we don&#8217;t mess about. Then again, generally speaking, we don&#8217;t like to race either. It&#8217;s not the Tour de France, you should enjoy it. There&#8217;s no point to racing, either. It will only save you a few minutes, tops, not worth the sweat. That&#8217;s why you&#8217;ll see people just dress for whatever occasion and get on a bike. &#8220;What do you mean, cycle gear? I have a wardrobe!&#8221; <img src='http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Regarding the linked picture of the beautiful girl on the blue bike: you&#8217;d be surprised how quickly she can get around <img src='http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Of course we also have our speed demons, not many, but we do and you don&#8217;t hear them complain. First, people here are very used to cycling in close proximity to each other, and second, there are some &#8216;rules of the path&#8217; that most abide to. Using a car metaphor, someone in a Veyron won&#8217;t ever think he&#8217;ll be able to floor it and reach top speed in a residential area. </p>
<p>Stopping:<br />
If you look closely in Amsterdam or any other city in the Netherlands, you will see that cycle paths / routes always provide either a shorter route, the right of way over cars and more and more you&#8217;ll ride a &#8216;green wave&#8217; path. Cars have to give way to bicycles when at a crossing and one way streets always exempt cyclists.<br />
It&#8217;s not just paths, but the way the city has chosen the bicycle as main transportation. Traffic calming where needed, segregation for busier roads.  </p>
<p>Anyway, hope that clears up a few things. I lived in NYC in the early 90&#8242;s, I rode my Dutch bike there every day (and often got ridiculed for it). Nobody deemed it possible for anyone but crazy bike messengers to use bicycles as daily transportation. <a href="http://amsterdamize.com/2009/11/17/a-dutchman-in-new-york/" rel="nofollow">I recently went back there</a> after a 3 year hiatus and look at it now, cycling is becoming the norm! </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been following Florida&#8217;s progress (Miami) for some time now, it&#8217;s a whole different ball game than NYC, but it can work anywhere. </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Marc</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 11:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, We are leaving at 10am from the front of 200 N. Orange Ave (across from Cafe Annies/old Mini dealership). We will be out until about noon. We are planning on going toward Winter Park, via Cady Way Trail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, We are leaving at 10am from the front of 200 N. Orange Ave (across from Cafe Annies/old Mini dealership). We will be out until about noon. We are planning on going toward Winter Park, via Cady Way Trail.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the late notice. We are leaving at 10am from the front of 200 N. Orange Ave (across from Cafe Annies/old Mini dealorship). We will be out until about noon. I&#039;ll give you better notice for the next ride. We had a wedding last night and wasn&#039;t sure if the group was going to be in a condition to ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the late notice. We are leaving at 10am from the front of 200 N. Orange Ave (across from Cafe Annies/old Mini dealorship). We will be out until about noon. I&#8217;ll give you better notice for the next ride. We had a wedding last night and wasn&#8217;t sure if the group was going to be in a condition to ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you have to go all the way out to Christmas before &quot;Orlando&quot; stops. Maybe further.

Avalon Park used to be the old Rocket City subdivision. It was named Rocket City because it was half-way to the Cape from Orlando, yet people there have an Orlando address, just a way-out-there zip code.

My point is simple. Time estimates are easily manipulated. Most people know this and are wary of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have to go all the way out to Christmas before &#8220;Orlando&#8221; stops. Maybe further.</p>
<p>Avalon Park used to be the old Rocket City subdivision. It was named Rocket City because it was half-way to the Cape from Orlando, yet people there have an Orlando address, just a way-out-there zip code.</p>
<p>My point is simple. Time estimates are easily manipulated. Most people know this and are wary of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is Alafaya not Orlando?  I guess it depends on where on Alafaya, but UCF has a postal address of Orlando, FL.

To me, that is one of the huge problems with Orlando--there are too many of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is Alafaya not Orlando?  I guess it depends on where on Alafaya, but UCF has a postal address of Orlando, FL.</p>
<p>To me, that is one of the huge problems with Orlando&#8211;there are too many of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, we are going to be doing a surveying ride this Sunday morning at 10. I don&#039;t know which direction we are going, but I have 2 other guys lined up already and can always use another person that is looking to log some miles. I&#039;ll keep you posted toward the end of the week about the details. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, we are going to be doing a surveying ride this Sunday morning at 10. I don&#8217;t know which direction we are going, but I have 2 other guys lined up already and can always use another person that is looking to log some miles. I&#8217;ll keep you posted toward the end of the week about the details. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, I live downtown and would be willing to keep track of data if you want some help.  BTW, I tend to go fast, but am trying to slow down for safety and sanity&#039;s sake.  Let me know if you want another rider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, I live downtown and would be willing to keep track of data if you want some help.  BTW, I tend to go fast, but am trying to slow down for safety and sanity&#8217;s sake.  Let me know if you want another rider.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeOnBike</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeOnBike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on my odometer and a and clock, my door-to-door speed in town is about 10 MPH, which includes time waiting at red lights (0 MPH).

Based on what my bike computer says, my *moving* average is about 12 MPH.  The bike computer stops counting when the bike stops moving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on my odometer and a and clock, my door-to-door speed in town is about 10 MPH, which includes time waiting at red lights (0 MPH).</p>
<p>Based on what my bike computer says, my *moving* average is about 12 MPH.  The bike computer stops counting when the bike stops moving.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do me a favor. Before you spend a bunch of money and time on graphics and printing, post the potential route here or on Map My Ride or Google Maps or something.

Since I am old and slow, I&#039;ll try it/them out and report back what happened. Your target audience is probably more like me than the teenage girl on her way to her friend&#039;s house two blocks over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do me a favor. Before you spend a bunch of money and time on graphics and printing, post the potential route here or on Map My Ride or Google Maps or something.</p>
<p>Since I am old and slow, I&#8217;ll try it/them out and report back what happened. Your target audience is probably more like me than the teenage girl on her way to her friend&#8217;s house two blocks over.</p>
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