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		<title>By: Eric Post</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/04/06/law-enforcement-bias-and-the-3ft-law/comment-page-2/#comment-14952</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have a 3-foot passing law in Arizona but ours works differently.  Prior to that there was no &quot;safe passing&quot; law regarding bicycles.  Only safe passing of vehicles and bicycles are not vehicles in Arizona.  So the 3-foot law in Arizona has two criteria.  The pass must be not less than 3 feet.  The pass must be safe.  

Given that the pass must be safe, you would think that it gets used a lot.  Not so.  We can&#039;t get law enforcement to use it.  There are some known problems with the enforcement of the law.

1.  Officers that have used the statute have expressed frustration that the judges have dismissed the charges on a regular basis.  There seems to be nothing the officer can say when the driver claims the rider swerve.

2.  Officers are not using the &quot;safe pass&quot; portion of the statute.  If they did, they might win the cases more often.

3.  Officers claim they cannot judge what is 3 feet.  The bicycle community has often said that we don&#039;t care about when it is borderline, but when the rider flinches or is hit the driver slams on the brakes or swerves, or the roadway is clearly not wide enough, then that&#039;s pretty good indication that the driver didn&#039;t leave 3 feet.  

4. Some officers believe that motorists are complying with the law because they tested it out.  They put an officer on a bike and motorists passed safely.  Duh!  It says POLICE on the shirt.  So then the offices tried something different.  Put a plain clothes officer on a bike with a camera on the frame and another in front.  Film it.  Well, the cars that darned near clipped the camera bike were moving left by the time they got to the front rider and nobody seems to have violated the 3-foot distance. Ok, that failed too.  But law enforcement seems to be pointing at that study as some sort of proof that drivers are in compliance with the law.

It is frustrating and there is absolutely no doubt that the 3-foot law is not being used in Arizona.  

Funny, we had a driver rear end a well known rider some years ago and the police refused to issue a 3-foot saying that they absolutely could not invoke the statute because the driver didn&#039;t &quot;pass&quot; the rider.  So they used the failure to control speed statute which is common for rear end crashes.  Shortly after that another rider was rear ended, only in a different jurisdiction and the officers did use the 3-foot statute, went to court on it, and won.  Go figure.  This tells me that our enforcement and judiciary don&#039;t know how to handle these kinds of statutory citations and need training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a 3-foot passing law in Arizona but ours works differently.  Prior to that there was no &#8220;safe passing&#8221; law regarding bicycles.  Only safe passing of vehicles and bicycles are not vehicles in Arizona.  So the 3-foot law in Arizona has two criteria.  The pass must be not less than 3 feet.  The pass must be safe.  </p>
<p>Given that the pass must be safe, you would think that it gets used a lot.  Not so.  We can&#8217;t get law enforcement to use it.  There are some known problems with the enforcement of the law.</p>
<p>1.  Officers that have used the statute have expressed frustration that the judges have dismissed the charges on a regular basis.  There seems to be nothing the officer can say when the driver claims the rider swerve.</p>
<p>2.  Officers are not using the &#8220;safe pass&#8221; portion of the statute.  If they did, they might win the cases more often.</p>
<p>3.  Officers claim they cannot judge what is 3 feet.  The bicycle community has often said that we don&#8217;t care about when it is borderline, but when the rider flinches or is hit the driver slams on the brakes or swerves, or the roadway is clearly not wide enough, then that&#8217;s pretty good indication that the driver didn&#8217;t leave 3 feet.  </p>
<p>4. Some officers believe that motorists are complying with the law because they tested it out.  They put an officer on a bike and motorists passed safely.  Duh!  It says POLICE on the shirt.  So then the offices tried something different.  Put a plain clothes officer on a bike with a camera on the frame and another in front.  Film it.  Well, the cars that darned near clipped the camera bike were moving left by the time they got to the front rider and nobody seems to have violated the 3-foot distance. Ok, that failed too.  But law enforcement seems to be pointing at that study as some sort of proof that drivers are in compliance with the law.</p>
<p>It is frustrating and there is absolutely no doubt that the 3-foot law is not being used in Arizona.  </p>
<p>Funny, we had a driver rear end a well known rider some years ago and the police refused to issue a 3-foot saying that they absolutely could not invoke the statute because the driver didn&#8217;t &#8220;pass&#8221; the rider.  So they used the failure to control speed statute which is common for rear end crashes.  Shortly after that another rider was rear ended, only in a different jurisdiction and the officers did use the 3-foot statute, went to court on it, and won.  Go figure.  This tells me that our enforcement and judiciary don&#8217;t know how to handle these kinds of statutory citations and need training.</p>
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		<title>By: Making Safe Cycling Laws Meaningful &#124; Metamorphostuff</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/04/06/law-enforcement-bias-and-the-3ft-law/comment-page-2/#comment-14397</link>
		<dc:creator>Making Safe Cycling Laws Meaningful &#124; Metamorphostuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 03:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (Commute Orlando has some interesting comments on the difficulty &#8211; or reluctance &#8211; of enforcing the law.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (Commute Orlando has some interesting comments on the difficulty &#8211; or reluctance &#8211; of enforcing the law.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why California Bicyclists Should Oppose the Proposed 3 Foot Passing Law &#8211; BikingBrian</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/04/06/law-enforcement-bias-and-the-3ft-law/comment-page-2/#comment-12083</link>
		<dc:creator>Why California Bicyclists Should Oppose the Proposed 3 Foot Passing Law &#8211; BikingBrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 05:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a &#8220;feel good&#8221; measure that doesn&#8217;t address these core issues, just look at the enforcement track record in other states with 3-foot laws. Furthermore, emphasizing three feet as the passing distance may encourage some drivers to pass too [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a &#8220;feel good&#8221; measure that doesn&#8217;t address these core issues, just look at the enforcement track record in other states with 3-foot laws. Furthermore, emphasizing three feet as the passing distance may encourage some drivers to pass too [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gutierrez</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/04/06/law-enforcement-bias-and-the-3ft-law/comment-page-2/#comment-9348</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gutierrez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 02:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LA County Bicycle coalition created what they believe are educational posters with a graphic that reads &quot;Give me 3&quot; as in 3 feet of passing clearance, through future legislation.  Of course those of us who control lanes view this differently, since we already average something like 8 feet of clearance, so maybe we need a better educational poster that reads: &quot;Ain&#039;t 8 Great&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LA County Bicycle coalition created what they believe are educational posters with a graphic that reads &#8220;Give me 3&#8243; as in 3 feet of passing clearance, through future legislation.  Of course those of us who control lanes view this differently, since we already average something like 8 feet of clearance, so maybe we need a better educational poster that reads: &#8220;Ain&#8217;t 8 Great&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gutierrez</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/04/06/law-enforcement-bias-and-the-3ft-law/comment-page-2/#comment-9347</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gutierrez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 02:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed Wagner just asked on FB if 3&#039; laws are benefitting cyclists; here&#039;s my response to that question:

No. Such laws further discrimination against cyclists by treating cyclists different from other drivers, and establishing an absolute minimum that criminalizes motorist making safe passes at less than three feet in slow moving urban traffic. Worse still some states also apply these laws to cyclists, thus taking away their legal right to pass at closer distances in urban traffic. Mindless minimum laws work against cyclists&#039; driver rights.

The problem these misguided laws attempt to solve is police enforcement of existing passing laws, which already the passer not to interfere with the safe movement of the passee. The police usually do one of two things when a cyclist is hit by an overtaking motorist:
1) Cite the cyclist for violating the FTR law and no citation for the motorist
2) No citation for the motorist

In case 1), the cyclist is blamed for being in the roadway and loses any hope of recovering civil damages and the motorist is given a pass. In case 2) the motorist is given a pass and the cyclist will have a tough time recovering any civil damages, since no fault assignment was produced.

The correct solution is to do two things:
1) Repeal the FTR law, so the police don&#039;t an easy tool to use to discriminate against cyclists who are injured by overtaking motorists
2) Educate police to recognize a cyclist&#039;s right to use the roadway (which is easier to do if there is no law forcing cyclists to the edge) and that motorists have the same obligation to pass cyclists safely as they do for other motorists.

Adding a 3&#039; law to an existing FTR law pushes cyclists to the edge and then requires motorists &quot;give them space&quot;, even though pushing cyclists to the edge encourages too-close in-lane passing. This is schizophrenic, and is like placing a band-aid on a severed limb. It&#039;s better to restore the limb to proper function (repeal the FTR law).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Wagner just asked on FB if 3&#8242; laws are benefitting cyclists; here&#8217;s my response to that question:</p>
<p>No. Such laws further discrimination against cyclists by treating cyclists different from other drivers, and establishing an absolute minimum that criminalizes motorist making safe passes at less than three feet in slow moving urban traffic. Worse still some states also apply these laws to cyclists, thus taking away their legal right to pass at closer distances in urban traffic. Mindless minimum laws work against cyclists&#8217; driver rights.</p>
<p>The problem these misguided laws attempt to solve is police enforcement of existing passing laws, which already the passer not to interfere with the safe movement of the passee. The police usually do one of two things when a cyclist is hit by an overtaking motorist:<br />
1) Cite the cyclist for violating the FTR law and no citation for the motorist<br />
2) No citation for the motorist</p>
<p>In case 1), the cyclist is blamed for being in the roadway and loses any hope of recovering civil damages and the motorist is given a pass. In case 2) the motorist is given a pass and the cyclist will have a tough time recovering any civil damages, since no fault assignment was produced.</p>
<p>The correct solution is to do two things:<br />
1) Repeal the FTR law, so the police don&#8217;t an easy tool to use to discriminate against cyclists who are injured by overtaking motorists<br />
2) Educate police to recognize a cyclist&#8217;s right to use the roadway (which is easier to do if there is no law forcing cyclists to the edge) and that motorists have the same obligation to pass cyclists safely as they do for other motorists.</p>
<p>Adding a 3&#8242; law to an existing FTR law pushes cyclists to the edge and then requires motorists &#8220;give them space&#8221;, even though pushing cyclists to the edge encourages too-close in-lane passing. This is schizophrenic, and is like placing a band-aid on a severed limb. It&#8217;s better to restore the limb to proper function (repeal the FTR law).</p>
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		<title>By: Why 3 Foot Bicyclist Passing Laws Are a Bad Idea &#8211; Brian DeSousa</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/04/06/law-enforcement-bias-and-the-3ft-law/comment-page-2/#comment-9086</link>
		<dc:creator>Why 3 Foot Bicyclist Passing Laws Are a Bad Idea &#8211; Brian DeSousa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 06:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] improvement in motorist passing behavior is those states that have enacted 3 foot laws.  On the Commute Orlando blog, Keri Caffrey talks about the ineffectiveness of Florida&#8217;s 3 foot law and how it is a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/04/06/law-enforcement-bias-and-the-3ft-law/comment-page-1/#comment-8642</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 13:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the opposite problem happen to me concerning passing another vehicle. In the mid to late 1980&#039;s I was passing a car in a residental area that had been creeping along in front of me at a snails pace, as I passed said vehicle it made a sudden left turn into a driveway, (her home) at the same time I attempted to pass her car as another vehicle should be able to. THEN IT happened, as I made the honest attempt to pass the car, it made a sudden &amp; sharp left turn, therefore striking my $600.00 Fugi bicycle, I went under the left front left fender holding on for dear life as my bicycle went under the wheel. When the whole episode ended I was under the engine holding on to the front bumper, and the car was almost full up into her home driveway. As I emerged from under the car, I noticed a very young female driver behind the steering wheel, totally unaware of the severity of her actions! I then noticed MANY areas on my body that HURT and HURT BADLY!!! I collected myself enough to walk back several blocks away, where I called FHP to the scene. Therein upon my rearrival to the scene, I saw said FHP officer in her yard talking to her family. The Florida Hiway Patrol officer was 19 years old at best, and he was (training) a ride along new officer! I was sighted with illegal passing!!! (HUH!!!) This 16 year old was sitting in the road with no turn signal on, making a turn into her home driveway! Being in my 30&#039;s I knew I could not convence said officer trying to impress a young maiden close to his age in front of her own family, that I was making a legitimate roadway pass!!! She struck me for goodness sakes!!!!!!!!!!  I called the cops &amp; then I had no power to persue, the said greeneard cop, was flirting with the operator of the vehicle that turned in front of me!!!! I now realized that I had no chance of a decent mindset involved here as the so called &quot;authority&quot; was being misused &amp; abused by some out of training adolescent!!! I have now lived with my subsequent back injury (plus my subsequent surgery) till now........That left turn would and should KILL NASCAR.......My pain is relevant to my opinion! Biker&#039;s do have rights!!!!!!!! God Bless All&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the opposite problem happen to me concerning passing another vehicle. In the mid to late 1980&#8242;s I was passing a car in a residental area that had been creeping along in front of me at a snails pace, as I passed said vehicle it made a sudden left turn into a driveway, (her home) at the same time I attempted to pass her car as another vehicle should be able to. THEN IT happened, as I made the honest attempt to pass the car, it made a sudden &amp; sharp left turn, therefore striking my $600.00 Fugi bicycle, I went under the left front left fender holding on for dear life as my bicycle went under the wheel. When the whole episode ended I was under the engine holding on to the front bumper, and the car was almost full up into her home driveway. As I emerged from under the car, I noticed a very young female driver behind the steering wheel, totally unaware of the severity of her actions! I then noticed MANY areas on my body that HURT and HURT BADLY!!! I collected myself enough to walk back several blocks away, where I called FHP to the scene. Therein upon my rearrival to the scene, I saw said FHP officer in her yard talking to her family. The Florida Hiway Patrol officer was 19 years old at best, and he was (training) a ride along new officer! I was sighted with illegal passing!!! (HUH!!!) This 16 year old was sitting in the road with no turn signal on, making a turn into her home driveway! Being in my 30&#8242;s I knew I could not convence said officer trying to impress a young maiden close to his age in front of her own family, that I was making a legitimate roadway pass!!! She struck me for goodness sakes!!!!!!!!!!  I called the cops &amp; then I had no power to persue, the said greeneard cop, was flirting with the operator of the vehicle that turned in front of me!!!! I now realized that I had no chance of a decent mindset involved here as the so called &#8220;authority&#8221; was being misused &amp; abused by some out of training adolescent!!! I have now lived with my subsequent back injury (plus my subsequent surgery) till now&#8230;&#8230;..That left turn would and should KILL NASCAR&#8230;&#8230;.My pain is relevant to my opinion! Biker&#8217;s do have rights!!!!!!!! God Bless All&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve A</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/04/06/law-enforcement-bias-and-the-3ft-law/comment-page-1/#comment-3637</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 00:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, you&#039;re not gonna get free lottery tickets with that story. No drama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, you&#8217;re not gonna get free lottery tickets with that story. No drama.</p>
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		<title>By: fred_dot_u</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/04/06/law-enforcement-bias-and-the-3ft-law/comment-page-1/#comment-3627</link>
		<dc:creator>fred_dot_u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom in jax, about the only suggestion I might have for you is get your own set of rodney cams and attach them fore and aft on your bike. Cops won&#039;t charge someone without viewing the alleged crime, but video evidence has been used successfully in some prosecutions.

Steve, I only consider luck to be related to my location, not my operation. I do feel lucky to have taken the TS101 and LCI classes though.

Another part of my &quot;luck&quot; is that most of my travels are on four to ten lane roadways, with six lanes being the most common size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom in jax, about the only suggestion I might have for you is get your own set of rodney cams and attach them fore and aft on your bike. Cops won&#8217;t charge someone without viewing the alleged crime, but video evidence has been used successfully in some prosecutions.</p>
<p>Steve, I only consider luck to be related to my location, not my operation. I do feel lucky to have taken the TS101 and LCI classes though.</p>
<p>Another part of my &#8220;luck&#8221; is that most of my travels are on four to ten lane roadways, with six lanes being the most common size.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred, ask these guys to give you lottery tickets since you&#039;re still alive - you must be VERY lucky!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, ask these guys to give you lottery tickets since you&#8217;re still alive &#8211; you must be VERY lucky!</p>
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