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		<title>By: Abhishek</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/02/17/impeding-traffic-the-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2726</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhishek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what kind of cameras do you keep running during such trips? I think it would be a good idea to get one installed for all my trips. It is getting crazy out here lately in suburban jacksonville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what kind of cameras do you keep running during such trips? I think it would be a good idea to get one installed for all my trips. It is getting crazy out here lately in suburban jacksonville.</p>
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		<title>By: Keri</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/02/17/impeding-traffic-the-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-2330</link>
		<dc:creator>Keri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the follow-up:
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/04/05/citation-dismissed/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the follow-up:<br />
<a href="http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/04/05/citation-dismissed/" rel="nofollow">http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/04/05/citation-dismissed/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Herman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has happened with this case?  The last that anything was posted was Feb 20th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has happened with this case?  The last that anything was posted was Feb 20th.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2009/02/17/impeding-traffic-the-audio/comment-page-1/#comment-1458</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very curious about all of this.  I am the Education Coordinator for the PedNet Coalition in Columbia, Missouri and an LCI.

In September I had the opportunity to educate all 150 of our officers after one of them pulled over one of our Road 1 courses twice for not being &quot;all the way to the right.&quot;

The classes went perfect and they really learned a lot.  I could not be happier how it turned out here.  The average police officer just does not know the laws when it comes to bicycling and even if they read them they would not understand them without having a competent bicyclist explain it to them.

Fred, you are the definition of competent but they might not want to hear it from you since they think you are testing them.

Either way, please let me know how this turns out.

Thanks,

Robert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very curious about all of this.  I am the Education Coordinator for the PedNet Coalition in Columbia, Missouri and an LCI.</p>
<p>In September I had the opportunity to educate all 150 of our officers after one of them pulled over one of our Road 1 courses twice for not being &#8220;all the way to the right.&#8221;</p>
<p>The classes went perfect and they really learned a lot.  I could not be happier how it turned out here.  The average police officer just does not know the laws when it comes to bicycling and even if they read them they would not understand them without having a competent bicyclist explain it to them.</p>
<p>Fred, you are the definition of competent but they might not want to hear it from you since they think you are testing them.</p>
<p>Either way, please let me know how this turns out.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Robert</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANDREW!!! Why don&#039;t to stick to Florida Law before you drag in cases from Pennsylvania.

Let&#039;s all scratch our collective heads. Who out there does the most recording of people face-to-face of anyone? Here&#039;s a hint: They like to poke their microphone in people&#039;s faces.

Ah, That&#039;s right the TV people. And what does a media legal clearinghouse (Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press) have to say about the laws in Florida?

Taping someone over the phone requires consent BUT

&quot;Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. See definition of “oral communication,” Fla. Stat. ch. 934.02. See also Stevenson v. State, 667 So.2d 410 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1996); Paredes v. State, 760 So.2d 167 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2000).&quot;

http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html

So look up those cites. I can&#039;t imagine that two people talking on a street would expect privacy.

Fred did the right thing, but once again, the TV people would be interested in knowing about how they told him to stop recording (and then threatened him) since they presumably would prefer to keep a free press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANDREW!!! Why don&#8217;t to stick to Florida Law before you drag in cases from Pennsylvania.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s all scratch our collective heads. Who out there does the most recording of people face-to-face of anyone? Here&#8217;s a hint: They like to poke their microphone in people&#8217;s faces.</p>
<p>Ah, That&#8217;s right the TV people. And what does a media legal clearinghouse (Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press) have to say about the laws in Florida?</p>
<p>Taping someone over the phone requires consent BUT</p>
<p>&#8220;Under the statute, consent is not required for the taping of a non-electronic communication uttered by a person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. See definition of “oral communication,” Fla. Stat. ch. 934.02. See also Stevenson v. State, 667 So.2d 410 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1996); Paredes v. State, 760 So.2d 167 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 2000).&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html</a></p>
<p>So look up those cites. I can&#8217;t imagine that two people talking on a street would expect privacy.</p>
<p>Fred did the right thing, but once again, the TV people would be interested in knowing about how they told him to stop recording (and then threatened him) since they presumably would prefer to keep a free press.</p>
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		<title>By: fred_dot_u</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred_dot_u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was the same statute I found on the books, but one of the exceptions (it&#039;s always gotta be an exception, eh, Keri?) is that the statute does not apply to a public meeting.  I personally consider a traffic stop to be a public meeting, because the alternative is a private one and if I&#039;m being stopped for an alleged traffic infraction, it&#039;s in public.

I plan to play it safe, though and inform the officers that the camera is running and if they require it to be turned off, the conversation ends. I&#039;m required only to provide identification and answer appropriate questions, not hold a discussion which I&#039;ve recently learned is fruitless. 

I&#039;m waiting to hear back from a lawyer found on the FBA legal page, only 11 miles away. His assistant took my information at 10:30am today, and nothing yet, at 4:30pm. Oh well, maybe monday, when I&#039;m out on scheduled calls!  At least my calls are well north of the Port Orange PD and their vigilantes.

Yep, still angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was the same statute I found on the books, but one of the exceptions (it&#8217;s always gotta be an exception, eh, Keri?) is that the statute does not apply to a public meeting.  I personally consider a traffic stop to be a public meeting, because the alternative is a private one and if I&#8217;m being stopped for an alleged traffic infraction, it&#8217;s in public.</p>
<p>I plan to play it safe, though and inform the officers that the camera is running and if they require it to be turned off, the conversation ends. I&#8217;m required only to provide identification and answer appropriate questions, not hold a discussion which I&#8217;ve recently learned is fruitless. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m waiting to hear back from a lawyer found on the FBA legal page, only 11 miles away. His assistant took my information at 10:30am today, and nothing yet, at 4:30pm. Oh well, maybe monday, when I&#8217;m out on scheduled calls!  At least my calls are well north of the Port Orange PD and their vigilantes.</p>
<p>Yep, still angry.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrewp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrewp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred:  First, looks like you may not be able to video/record without consent.  See this link:  http://www.citmedialaw.org/teen-arrested-videotaping-police.  Like everything else it seems, it could be open to interpretation (it&#039;s a classic First Amendment issue), but I think you are doing the right thing by (a) informing and (b) shutting off after they do not give consent.  Since it&#039;s considered a (3rd degree) felony charge, unless you really wanted to push things, better to comply with requests to turn off.

Here&#039;s the Florida statute on recording, if you are interested:  http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&amp;SubMenu=1&amp;App_mode=Display_Statute&amp;Search_String=934.03&amp;URL=CH0934/Sec03.HTM

Don&#039;t know any lawyers who do this kind of traffic/legal work; if I come up with a name I will let you know ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred:  First, looks like you may not be able to video/record without consent.  See this link:  <a href="http://www.citmedialaw.org/teen-arrested-videotaping-police" rel="nofollow">http://www.citmedialaw.org/teen-arrested-videotaping-police</a>.  Like everything else it seems, it could be open to interpretation (it&#8217;s a classic First Amendment issue), but I think you are doing the right thing by (a) informing and (b) shutting off after they do not give consent.  Since it&#8217;s considered a (3rd degree) felony charge, unless you really wanted to push things, better to comply with requests to turn off.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the Florida statute on recording, if you are interested:  <a href="http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&#038;SubMenu=1&#038;App_mode=Display_Statute&#038;Search_String=934.03&#038;URL=CH0934/Sec03.HTM" rel="nofollow">http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&#038;SubMenu=1&#038;App_mode=Display_Statute&#038;Search_String=934.03&#038;URL=CH0934/Sec03.HTM</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know any lawyers who do this kind of traffic/legal work; if I come up with a name I will let you know &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Devine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt Devine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a mountain biker it&#039;s aways interesting reading what road bikers go through.

I&#039;ll offer the advice I share when we are out touring the local mountains.  &quot;You always want to know where you sit in the surrounding food chain.&quot;  I think that advice probably applies here as you move forward into the &quot;justice&quot; system.  You have a right to be there, but you might get eaten alive.  Good Luck (sincerely).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a mountain biker it&#8217;s aways interesting reading what road bikers go through.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll offer the advice I share when we are out touring the local mountains.  &#8220;You always want to know where you sit in the surrounding food chain.&#8221;  I think that advice probably applies here as you move forward into the &#8220;justice&#8221; system.  You have a right to be there, but you might get eaten alive.  Good Luck (sincerely).</p>
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		<title>By: fred_dot_u</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred_dot_u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t be banned from the city, since I have clients all over that place.  I won&#039;t buckle under and pay the fine either, because my safety is the principle behind all this.  

I&#039;ll try to get a scan of the ticket tomorrow when I come back from visiting a client in Port Orange, and when my wife isn&#039;t home to go into catatonic shock from her own imagined terrors that go with my adventures in law enforcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t be banned from the city, since I have clients all over that place.  I won&#8217;t buckle under and pay the fine either, because my safety is the principle behind all this.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try to get a scan of the ticket tomorrow when I come back from visiting a client in Port Orange, and when my wife isn&#8217;t home to go into catatonic shock from her own imagined terrors that go with my adventures in law enforcement.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and don&#039;t worry so much Fred,

This is merely a citation, not even a misdemeanor.
No points, so your insurance won&#039;t go up.

The goal here is to stop the harassment. The easy thing to do is pay the ticket, but you will be banned from that city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and don&#8217;t worry so much Fred,</p>
<p>This is merely a citation, not even a misdemeanor.<br />
No points, so your insurance won&#8217;t go up.</p>
<p>The goal here is to stop the harassment. The easy thing to do is pay the ticket, but you will be banned from that city.</p>
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