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	<title>Comments on: What Cyclists Need to Know about Trucks</title>
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		<title>By: Wayne Pein</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-15834</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Pein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 02:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way traffic operates, ie Rules of the Road, has evolved so that traffic movement is safe and efficient. It got this way within the constraints of human factors. &quot;Human factors engineering focuses on how people interact with tasks, machines (or computers), and the environment with the consideration that humans have limitations and capabilities.&quot; So, for example, right turning drivers are expected to turn right from the rightmost lane and are not expected to have thru traffic passing them from behind while they are executing the turn which requires attention to the front. 

Placing thru bike lanes to the right of right turning vehicles is a human factors fail. Duping bicyclists with green paint is another human factors fail by making them feel safe and infallible precisely when they should not feel safe and instead should be &quot;on task&quot; and think. This double whammy results in collisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way traffic operates, ie Rules of the Road, has evolved so that traffic movement is safe and efficient. It got this way within the constraints of human factors. &#8220;Human factors engineering focuses on how people interact with tasks, machines (or computers), and the environment with the consideration that humans have limitations and capabilities.&#8221; So, for example, right turning drivers are expected to turn right from the rightmost lane and are not expected to have thru traffic passing them from behind while they are executing the turn which requires attention to the front. </p>
<p>Placing thru bike lanes to the right of right turning vehicles is a human factors fail. Duping bicyclists with green paint is another human factors fail by making them feel safe and infallible precisely when they should not feel safe and instead should be &#8220;on task&#8221; and think. This double whammy results in collisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gutierrez</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-15833</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gutierrez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 02:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truck driver initiates a turn, and cyclist tries to pass on the right in a blind location (so the truck driver could not see her) and you compare this to inviting rape by wearing a short skirt?  That&#039;s irrational.  A better analogy is to imagine a cyclist hiding behind a planter and diving out in front of a construction worker so your head ends up under his boot and cry victim when your head is inevitably stepped on.

The danger of smaller vehicles operating inside the turn circle of larger vehicles is well known, which is why yellow stickers/signs instructing the drivers of sedans not to do so are on the back of large trucks.  The same issue is even more hazardous when trying to pass on the right.  Here is one of the slides we use to teach transportation professionals about the hazards of right hook turns and how they occur:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3432277977070&amp;l=e16eb69d45

Oregon is a strange state because their traffic laws literally require both motorists and cyclists to act in ways that create the lethal conflict we are discussing.

For the right hook boxes (what I&#039;m now calling the ones in Portland), they don&#039;t serve the riders who can control a travel lane to avoid the hook (though such safe behavior is sadly illegal in Oregon), and for those who lack the traffic skills necessary to avoid the conflict, it forces and encourages them into right hook turns on the green phase, since such bike lanes at the edge at intersections are mandatory cyclist use by Oregon law, and motorists must turn across them instead of entering them as they are required to do so in the rest of the US.

The purpose of requiring motorists to merge into a bike lane to make right turns is specifically to preclude cyclists from passing on the right by virtue of the turning vehicle blocking such a line of travel; thus forcing the cyclist to either pass on the left in a safe divergent line of travel, or wait behind until the motorist completes their turn.

It&#039;s truly sad that Oregon law and facilities designs create lethal manufactured conflicts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truck driver initiates a turn, and cyclist tries to pass on the right in a blind location (so the truck driver could not see her) and you compare this to inviting rape by wearing a short skirt?  That&#8217;s irrational.  A better analogy is to imagine a cyclist hiding behind a planter and diving out in front of a construction worker so your head ends up under his boot and cry victim when your head is inevitably stepped on.</p>
<p>The danger of smaller vehicles operating inside the turn circle of larger vehicles is well known, which is why yellow stickers/signs instructing the drivers of sedans not to do so are on the back of large trucks.  The same issue is even more hazardous when trying to pass on the right.  Here is one of the slides we use to teach transportation professionals about the hazards of right hook turns and how they occur:</p>
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<p>Oregon is a strange state because their traffic laws literally require both motorists and cyclists to act in ways that create the lethal conflict we are discussing.</p>
<p>For the right hook boxes (what I&#8217;m now calling the ones in Portland), they don&#8217;t serve the riders who can control a travel lane to avoid the hook (though such safe behavior is sadly illegal in Oregon), and for those who lack the traffic skills necessary to avoid the conflict, it forces and encourages them into right hook turns on the green phase, since such bike lanes at the edge at intersections are mandatory cyclist use by Oregon law, and motorists must turn across them instead of entering them as they are required to do so in the rest of the US.</p>
<p>The purpose of requiring motorists to merge into a bike lane to make right turns is specifically to preclude cyclists from passing on the right by virtue of the turning vehicle blocking such a line of travel; thus forcing the cyclist to either pass on the left in a safe divergent line of travel, or wait behind until the motorist completes their turn.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s truly sad that Oregon law and facilities designs create lethal manufactured conflicts.</p>
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		<title>By: leo Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>leo Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 01:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an easy answer, and one I&#039;ve used through forty years of adult cycling.
Don&#039;t pass trucks or any other vehicle on the right. They can&#039;t see you in the blind spot. Get out of the gutter, or bike lane, and merge into the lane behind the truck. Wait your turn. Act like a driver.
Should driver be held accountable for their actions? Sure, just like everybody else. But consider that YOU are the primary person responsible for your safety. If you put yourself in the blindspot of a vehicle that can kill you- you just gave up the control of your safety. 
Be responsible to yourself.
gears to you....leo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an easy answer, and one I&#8217;ve used through forty years of adult cycling.<br />
Don&#8217;t pass trucks or any other vehicle on the right. They can&#8217;t see you in the blind spot. Get out of the gutter, or bike lane, and merge into the lane behind the truck. Wait your turn. Act like a driver.<br />
Should driver be held accountable for their actions? Sure, just like everybody else. But consider that YOU are the primary person responsible for your safety. If you put yourself in the blindspot of a vehicle that can kill you- you just gave up the control of your safety.<br />
Be responsible to yourself.<br />
gears to you&#8230;.leo</p>
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		<title>By: MikeOnBike</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeOnBike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 01:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you saying truckers should be responsible for people sneaking into their blind spots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you saying truckers should be responsible for people sneaking into their blind spots?</p>
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		<title>By: Mighk Wilson</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-15830</link>
		<dc:creator>Mighk Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 23:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how conscientious, hard-working, professionally-trained truck drivers would feel about being compared to rapists and murderers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how conscientious, hard-working, professionally-trained truck drivers would feel about being compared to rapists and murderers.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>although the advice of &quot;don&#039;t do anything dangerous even if it&#039;s legal&quot; would be best followed by removing the dangerous motor vehicles from the road I believe it&#039;s better to give people freedom to do dangerous things, but as I originally said they need to be responsible for their actions when doing dangerous things like operating a motor vehicle...

without the motor vehicle the bicycle is rarely deadly...  without the bicycle the motor vehicle still kills tens of thousands a year...

now what was that thing you were advising us against?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>although the advice of &#8220;don&#8217;t do anything dangerous even if it&#8217;s legal&#8221; would be best followed by removing the dangerous motor vehicles from the road I believe it&#8217;s better to give people freedom to do dangerous things, but as I originally said they need to be responsible for their actions when doing dangerous things like operating a motor vehicle&#8230;</p>
<p>without the motor vehicle the bicycle is rarely deadly&#8230;  without the bicycle the motor vehicle still kills tens of thousands a year&#8230;</p>
<p>now what was that thing you were advising us against?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeOnBike</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeOnBike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 00:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might have missed the caption on the diagram: &quot;Trucks have huge blind spots. Truck drivers cannot see little things in their huge blind spots. Large vehicles off-track when turning, so they will appear to be going straight and often swing wide before making a right turn.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might have missed the caption on the diagram: &#8220;Trucks have huge blind spots. Truck drivers cannot see little things in their huge blind spots. Large vehicles off-track when turning, so they will appear to be going straight and often swing wide before making a right turn.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 23:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the best thing to fix this problem is by holding the truck driver responsible for their actions…&quot;

Nowhere in the world has this argument been persuasive. In the UK, &quot;cow catchers&quot; are installed on trucks which are guards between the wheels so that when the truck sweeps right, in theory, the guard pushes the cyclist away . . .

My advice to anyone that will listen is, &quot;Do not pass on the right.&quot; and &quot;Do not ride up past a line (or queue) of cars or trucks on the right&quot; because it causes nothing but trouble. I don&#039;t care if it is legal or not.

Instead, queue up with the rest of the vehicles of which, by state law, you are one of. Some people get upset with that advice. &quot;Where is the advantage to riding a bicycle if one can&#039;t get ahead of the traffic?&quot;, they say. In my mind, there is no advantage. Riding a bicycle and how it rests the mind is the only advantage needed, although it is not as restful in heavy traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the best thing to fix this problem is by holding the truck driver responsible for their actions…&#8221;</p>
<p>Nowhere in the world has this argument been persuasive. In the UK, &#8220;cow catchers&#8221; are installed on trucks which are guards between the wheels so that when the truck sweeps right, in theory, the guard pushes the cyclist away . . .</p>
<p>My advice to anyone that will listen is, &#8220;Do not pass on the right.&#8221; and &#8220;Do not ride up past a line (or queue) of cars or trucks on the right&#8221; because it causes nothing but trouble. I don&#8217;t care if it is legal or not.</p>
<p>Instead, queue up with the rest of the vehicles of which, by state law, you are one of. Some people get upset with that advice. &#8220;Where is the advantage to riding a bicycle if one can&#8217;t get ahead of the traffic?&#8221;, they say. In my mind, there is no advantage. Riding a bicycle and how it rests the mind is the only advantage needed, although it is not as restful in heavy traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spiffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a horrible way to present decent advice...  it&#039;s like saying if you don&#039;t want to get sexually assaulted then don&#039;t wear a short skirt...

the best thing to fix this problem is by holding the truck driver responsible for their actions...  a small fine or community service won&#039;t send a message to people to look where they&#039;re going...  charges of manslaughter and the threat of life in prison for taking another person&#039;s like in a careless way is the best way to prevent future incidents...

don&#039;t foster fear, instead foster education and enforcement by those doing the killing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a horrible way to present decent advice&#8230;  it&#8217;s like saying if you don&#8217;t want to get sexually assaulted then don&#8217;t wear a short skirt&#8230;</p>
<p>the best thing to fix this problem is by holding the truck driver responsible for their actions&#8230;  a small fine or community service won&#8217;t send a message to people to look where they&#8217;re going&#8230;  charges of manslaughter and the threat of life in prison for taking another person&#8217;s like in a careless way is the best way to prevent future incidents&#8230;</p>
<p>don&#8217;t foster fear, instead foster education and enforcement by those doing the killing&#8230;</p>
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