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	<title>Comments on: What Cyclists Need to Know about Trucks</title>
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		<title>By: Spiffy</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-17901</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes, I&#039;m saying people should be responsible for not running into things...  I don&#039;t care what you&#039;re driving, you need to be sure that the lane next to you (bike or motor-vehicle) is clear before you cross it...  saying you didn&#039;t see something that was there is an admission of guilt...  you have to be sure that you saw that the space was clear...  a bike lane is a legal lane of travel for a vehicle just like any other lane on the road...  it&#039;s no different than changing lanes...  you don&#039;t put on your turn signal and then blindly change lanes and then blame any smaller vehicle that happens to be in your path while they&#039;re legally traveling in their lane...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, I&#8217;m saying people should be responsible for not running into things&#8230;  I don&#8217;t care what you&#8217;re driving, you need to be sure that the lane next to you (bike or motor-vehicle) is clear before you cross it&#8230;  saying you didn&#8217;t see something that was there is an admission of guilt&#8230;  you have to be sure that you saw that the space was clear&#8230;  a bike lane is a legal lane of travel for a vehicle just like any other lane on the road&#8230;  it&#8217;s no different than changing lanes&#8230;  you don&#8217;t put on your turn signal and then blindly change lanes and then blame any smaller vehicle that happens to be in your path while they&#8217;re legally traveling in their lane&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Baross</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-17305</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Baross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 00:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People bicycling fare best when they are in the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People bicycling fare best when they are in the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Fifth bicyclist killed in Boston this year. &#171; Critical Transit</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-17077</link>
		<dc:creator>Fifth bicyclist killed in Boston this year. &#171; Critical Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 07:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] if cities and towns provided free bicycle traffic safety education workshops, covering topics like What Cyclists Need to Know About Trucks? And how about eliminating the double standard where cars are allowed to ignore the laws they [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] if cities and towns provided free bicycle traffic safety education workshops, covering topics like What Cyclists Need to Know About Trucks? And how about eliminating the double standard where cars are allowed to ignore the laws they [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Allen</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-17076</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only some of the blindspots shown in diagram from the AAA near the top of this post are also danger zones. One very safe place to be around a big truck is behind it, where you can often read a sign, &quot;If you can&#039;t see my mirrors, I can&#039;t see you.&quot; A more accurate statement is: &quot;if you can see my mirrors, I still might not see you.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only some of the blindspots shown in diagram from the AAA near the top of this post are also danger zones. One very safe place to be around a big truck is behind it, where you can often read a sign, &#8220;If you can&#8217;t see my mirrors, I can&#8217;t see you.&#8221; A more accurate statement is: &#8220;if you can see my mirrors, I still might not see you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Perspectives on Chicago Bicyclist Fatalities: Bicyclist Rights &#124; Easy As Riding A Bike</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-17063</link>
		<dc:creator>Perspectives on Chicago Bicyclist Fatalities: Bicyclist Rights &#124; Easy As Riding A Bike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] first learned of Brent’s article through his mention of the page “What Cyclists Need to Know About Trucks”, from the CommuteOrlando web site. CommuteOrlando’s author, Keri, is also a co-founder of the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] first learned of Brent’s article through his mention of the page “What Cyclists Need to Know About Trucks”, from the CommuteOrlando web site. CommuteOrlando’s author, Keri, is also a co-founder of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chicago Cycling Fatalities: Making Sense of the Senseless &#124; Easy As Riding A Bike</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-16850</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicago Cycling Fatalities: Making Sense of the Senseless &#124; Easy As Riding A Bike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] by a Grid Chicago follower on Twitter.  Though well-intended advice about defensive cycling, this article from Commute Orlando reads like the Jim Crow Voter Manual of 1950.  Technically, you do have this right.  Just [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by a Grid Chicago follower on Twitter.  Though well-intended advice about defensive cycling, this article from Commute Orlando reads like the Jim Crow Voter Manual of 1950.  Technically, you do have this right.  Just [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NC Coalition for Bicycle Driving &#187; Bike Boxes</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-16494</link>
		<dc:creator>NC Coalition for Bicycle Driving &#187; Bike Boxes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2012 18:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] during on a red signal or when the signal turns green. If the motor vehicle is a truck or bus, the rear wheels will track to the inside of the turn and crush the bicyclist. This is an increasingly common cause of fatalities to bicyclists in urban areas.  The [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] during on a red signal or when the signal turns green. If the motor vehicle is a truck or bus, the rear wheels will track to the inside of the turn and crush the bicyclist. This is an increasingly common cause of fatalities to bicyclists in urban areas.  The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy P.</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-15847</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 05:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But you can take measures to protect yourself. I mean, think about your front door. I’ll put money on it that you lock your front door. Should you have to? Is it legal for someone to come into your house and steal your stuff? No, but you lock it anyway, just in case, to protect yourself.&quot;

Well said!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But you can take measures to protect yourself. I mean, think about your front door. I’ll put money on it that you lock your front door. Should you have to? Is it legal for someone to come into your house and steal your stuff? No, but you lock it anyway, just in case, to protect yourself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said!</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-15843</link>
		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 19:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Spiffy, I can see where you&#039;re coming from, but I think your analogy is fallacious.  The statement that a short skirt is asking for it is something we can all agree is wrong.  It&#039;s wrong because it says that a man has no control over himself when he sees a woman dressed provocatively and therefore rapes her and its her fault.  In reality, if a man rapes someone, its his choice, he CHOOSES to do something wrong, and assigning blame to the victim is absurd.  

Contrast this to the issue discussed in the post.  Trucks have large blind spots, this is an indisputable fact that is a result of plain geometry and physics.  It is therefore impossible for a truck driver to see certain areas around his vehicle.  If a truck driver turns into a cyclist because the cyclist was in a blind spot, then there&#039;s no choice or intent of doing something bad to the cyclist.  A truck driver could be doing everything legally (checking mirrors, signaling, obeying traffic signals), but still run into a cyclist he can&#039;t see.  Is that his choice?  Is it even something he could conceivable prevent?  I don&#039;t think so, beyond quitting truck driving.  I think blaming the truck driver is like cursing gravity when you fall and scrape your knee.  A rapist has a choice whether or not to rape a woman, but does it anyway; the truck driver is not given a choice if there&#039;s a cyclist hidden by a blind spot.  To get an ideal world where there is no rape, you have to change human nature, but to get an ideal world where a truck has no blind spots, you have to change the laws of physics, not the driver.

But should the cyclist be faulted if they get hit?  If a cyclist doesn&#039;t know about a truck&#039;s blind spots, then no, punishment for ignorance is pointless.  But if the cyclist knows about a truck&#039;s blind spots, then they can easily avoid them and stay safe.  This is where your short-skirt analogy makes a little more sense.  It is common sense to do things to avoid dangerous situations.  I have a friend who counsels assault victims and what she tells them is it&#039;s never their fault, that in an ideal world they should be able to walk down the darkest alley, naked, drunken and stoned out of their skulls and never be touched: it&#039;s the rapist that is the person who makes the choice and is the guilty party.  But you can take measures to protect yourself.  I mean, think about your front door.  I&#039;ll put money on it that you lock your front door.  Should you have to?  Is it legal for someone to come into your house and steal your stuff?  No, but you lock it anyway, just in case, to protect yourself.

You can&#039;t protect against everything, life is unpredictable, but in the case of a truck which (if you&#039;re educated about such things) you know has blind spots, you don&#039;t have to guess.  You protect yourself by staying out of its blind spots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Spiffy, I can see where you&#8217;re coming from, but I think your analogy is fallacious.  The statement that a short skirt is asking for it is something we can all agree is wrong.  It&#8217;s wrong because it says that a man has no control over himself when he sees a woman dressed provocatively and therefore rapes her and its her fault.  In reality, if a man rapes someone, its his choice, he CHOOSES to do something wrong, and assigning blame to the victim is absurd.  </p>
<p>Contrast this to the issue discussed in the post.  Trucks have large blind spots, this is an indisputable fact that is a result of plain geometry and physics.  It is therefore impossible for a truck driver to see certain areas around his vehicle.  If a truck driver turns into a cyclist because the cyclist was in a blind spot, then there&#8217;s no choice or intent of doing something bad to the cyclist.  A truck driver could be doing everything legally (checking mirrors, signaling, obeying traffic signals), but still run into a cyclist he can&#8217;t see.  Is that his choice?  Is it even something he could conceivable prevent?  I don&#8217;t think so, beyond quitting truck driving.  I think blaming the truck driver is like cursing gravity when you fall and scrape your knee.  A rapist has a choice whether or not to rape a woman, but does it anyway; the truck driver is not given a choice if there&#8217;s a cyclist hidden by a blind spot.  To get an ideal world where there is no rape, you have to change human nature, but to get an ideal world where a truck has no blind spots, you have to change the laws of physics, not the driver.</p>
<p>But should the cyclist be faulted if they get hit?  If a cyclist doesn&#8217;t know about a truck&#8217;s blind spots, then no, punishment for ignorance is pointless.  But if the cyclist knows about a truck&#8217;s blind spots, then they can easily avoid them and stay safe.  This is where your short-skirt analogy makes a little more sense.  It is common sense to do things to avoid dangerous situations.  I have a friend who counsels assault victims and what she tells them is it&#8217;s never their fault, that in an ideal world they should be able to walk down the darkest alley, naked, drunken and stoned out of their skulls and never be touched: it&#8217;s the rapist that is the person who makes the choice and is the guilty party.  But you can take measures to protect yourself.  I mean, think about your front door.  I&#8217;ll put money on it that you lock your front door.  Should you have to?  Is it legal for someone to come into your house and steal your stuff?  No, but you lock it anyway, just in case, to protect yourself.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t protect against everything, life is unpredictable, but in the case of a truck which (if you&#8217;re educated about such things) you know has blind spots, you don&#8217;t have to guess.  You protect yourself by staying out of its blind spots.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Pein</title>
		<link>http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/2008/11/30/what-cyclists-need-to-know-about-trucks/comment-page-1/#comment-15834</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne Pein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 02:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The way traffic operates, ie Rules of the Road, has evolved so that traffic movement is safe and efficient. It got this way within the constraints of human factors. &quot;Human factors engineering focuses on how people interact with tasks, machines (or computers), and the environment with the consideration that humans have limitations and capabilities.&quot; So, for example, right turning drivers are expected to turn right from the rightmost lane and are not expected to have thru traffic passing them from behind while they are executing the turn which requires attention to the front. 

Placing thru bike lanes to the right of right turning vehicles is a human factors fail. Duping bicyclists with green paint is another human factors fail by making them feel safe and infallible precisely when they should not feel safe and instead should be &quot;on task&quot; and think. This double whammy results in collisions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way traffic operates, ie Rules of the Road, has evolved so that traffic movement is safe and efficient. It got this way within the constraints of human factors. &#8220;Human factors engineering focuses on how people interact with tasks, machines (or computers), and the environment with the consideration that humans have limitations and capabilities.&#8221; So, for example, right turning drivers are expected to turn right from the rightmost lane and are not expected to have thru traffic passing them from behind while they are executing the turn which requires attention to the front. </p>
<p>Placing thru bike lanes to the right of right turning vehicles is a human factors fail. Duping bicyclists with green paint is another human factors fail by making them feel safe and infallible precisely when they should not feel safe and instead should be &#8220;on task&#8221; and think. This double whammy results in collisions.</p>
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